In my own family research, where I've spent considerable time reaching out to relatives to try to collect family photos, it's not uncommon to find a cousin with photos of people they don't know anything about. Sometimes I've only figured out who people are by finding the same photo, or a photo of the same person, in the possession of other distant cousins who might have a labeled photo. Sometimes you need to do a bit of detective work, such as if the photo has a studio stamp on the back showing where it was taken, which can help you figure out which cousins to ask about them (i.e. if the studio was in Rzeszow, Poland and you have only one branch of your family you know lived there, then start by sending the photo to other descendants of that branch and asking if they've seen the photo or otherwise know who the people are).
I've had some luck in researching photos in that I have a few 90+ year old relatives who remember who many of the people are, but sometimes you run into a picture that nobody knows about. My guess in many of these cases the photos are of people related to the person who saved the photo, but not to you. In other words, from the other side of the preserver's family.
Imagine finding a group of family photos preserved by your third cousin's grandfather, whom you are related to, and one photo out of the group ends up being his wife's family's photo. You could contact a hundred of your distant cousins and never find a match for the photo because simply, the photo is of people not related to you.
One that I think falls into this category is the following photo, which I found among my first cousin twice-removed (i.e. my grandfather's first cousin)'s photos:
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| Family Photo - 19th century? Poland, probably. Click to enlarge. |
If you've seen this photo, or any of the people in it, certainly be in touch. Also, if you've seen the prop the man on the left is leaning on in any of your family photos, let me know. If you know what town it was taken in by identifying the prop or the background, then that can help figure out what family this might be. I actually have two other photos taken in the same studio with the same prop, both around WWI, and while I knew who the people were, I only knew the location of one of the photos. By noticing the same prop and background in both photos, it let me figure out the location of the photo. Interestingly enough the photos each showed by great-grandfathers, but before their children married each other some 30 years after the photos were taken.
One interesting thing about the photo is that the man on the left, presumably the father, is not in the same photo as the other people. If you're confused, take a closer look and you'll notice that he's a cut-out from a different photo. The easiest place to see it is on the bottom left where the table leg is partly colored in to match, and the floor under the table changes color. Also, his left foot (right side in the photo) has a clear white line that comes to a point, showing where the negative was presumably spliced.
Are the other four people his children? Is one of them a spouse? Was this put together after the father died? Where is the mother? I don't know the answers to these questions.
I have a lot of family photos which I've collected over many years from many relatives, but I don't have too many photos from the 19th century. True, this could be early 20th century, but in any case I think I can say with certainty that it's over a hundred years old. After years of trying to figure out who is in the photo, I'm fairly convinced that this is not my family. The question then remains as to how much energy I should put into figuring out who is in it, when I don't think they're related to me. I'd love to be able to share the photo with whomever's family this is, but at the end of the day there are only so many hours one can put into research, and this kind of research take a lot of time and effort that I'd rather put into the many other mysteries in my tree. In the end, this post has led me to reach out to a few possible relatives of the family this photo MIGHT be from, and if I get any positive responses, perhaps I can find a match, and if not it will likely sit on this web page until someone else recognizes someone in the photo and contacts me.
When I started this post I actually intended on taking a look at a few other photos I recently discovered, but those will have to wait for another post, as this one seemed too interesting to combine with others.
Thanks for this post. It's funny: I have only a few family photos but one of them is a formal portrait of my mother's parents and seven siblings. My mother carefully identified all the people in it. I recently started communicating with a cousin I'd never heard about until she wrote a book about our family (which I found on Google, but that's another story...). Turns out, this cousin has the same family portrait but hadn't been able to identify any of the people in it aside from her grandparents.
ReplyDeleteOf course we still don't know where and on what occasion it was taken... I'm working on that!
They say a photo is worth a thousand words, but that can understate the amount of information and connections one can find from a photo. My grandfather gave me glass slides that were about a hundred years old, but I didn't know who were depicted in them. Years later I came across prints of those slides in the possession of the same cousin that had the above photo, and they had the names and death dates and locations written on the back. Years after that I connected with a fourth cousin who was descendant of a different child of the couple in the photo (through JewishGen Family Finder) and he later found prints of the same negatives, but with the studio frames around them, showing where they were taken (Rzeszow, Poland).
ReplyDeleteThe locations of their burial were given as Jerusalem (even though they were from Poland) and that led me to find their graves on the Mount of Olives. Tens of thousands of graves on the Mount of Olives were destroyed or damaged during the Jordanian occupation from 1948-1967, but their grave was restored after 1967 by another descendant, who added a memorial on the front of the grave for all of the descendants of the couple that died in the Holocaust. That listing of children and grandchildren who were murdered by the Nazis helped me figure out who survived and who didn't and led me to descendants to two other children of the couple in the photos, including the children of the people who restored the grave in Israel, and other descendants in New York. It all started with hundred year old glass negatives with no names...
Hello I have a photo of three women from the late 1800's maybe early 1900. They are my great grandfather's sisters. The era looks very similar to the photo posted above. All three women have these massive bows on their head and I am wondering if this is just a fashion thing or maybe religious? Someone has told one of my cousins that they think it is a Jewish head dress but I have googled every combination I can think of and can't find anything like it. Sorry don't know how to upload the photo. - Jane
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DeleteIf you want to e-mail me the photo (bloodandfrogs@gmail.com) I can take a look, and with your permission perhaps even post it here so others can take a look. The other option is to post it to a site like deadfred.com which allows people to share photos and seek input on them.
Thanks Phillip, I have just emailed you the photo, you have my permission to post it on the blog. I appreciate your help - Jane
ReplyDeleteI've posted my guess at the source of the bows in a new post. Let me know if it matches what you know about your family.
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